11 comments

  • kankerlijer 26 minutes ago
    There are only two kinds of cloud regions: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses
  • yibers 2 hours ago
    Ass covering-wise, you are probably better off going down with everyone else on us-east-1. The not so fun alternative: being targeted during an RCA explaining why you chose some random zone no one ever heard of.
    • rconti 1 hour ago
      Places nobody's ever heard of like "Ohio" or "Oregon"?

      Yeah, I'm not worried about being targeted in an RCA and pointedly asked why I chose a region with way better uptime than `us-tirefire-1`.

      What _is_ worth considering is whether your more carefully considered region will perform better during an actual outage where some critical AWS resource goes down in Virginia, taking my region with it anyway.

      • xingped 11 minutes ago
        IIRC, some AWS services are solely deployed on and/or entirely dependent on us-east-1. I don't recall which ones, but I very distinctly remember this coming up once.
        • cj 7 minutes ago
          AWS IAM has caused multiple cross-region outages.
    • kristianc 29 minutes ago
      I find it funny that we see complaints about why software quality has got worse alongside people advocating to choose objectively risky AWS regions for career risk and blame minimisation reasons.
      • goalieca 26 minutes ago
        This was always the case. The OG saying was “no one got fired for buying IBM”. Then it was changed to Microsoft. And so on..
      • throwawaysleep 4 minutes ago
        They are for the same reason. How do customers react to either? If us-east-1 fails, nobody complains. If Microsoft uses a browser to render components on Windows and eats all of your RAM, nobody complains.
    • throwawaysleep 1 hour ago
      This to me was the real lesson of the outage. A us-east-1 outage is treated like bad weather. A regional outage can be blamed on the dev. us-east-1 is too big to get blamed, which is why it should be the region of choice for an employee.
      • dontdoxxme 54 minutes ago
        Why aren't you using IBM cloud?
        • throwawaysleep 43 minutes ago
          If IBM still had a good reputation, I probably would.
        • Forgeties79 48 minutes ago
          They sure wouldn’t get fired
    • riffic 2 hours ago
      how about following the well-architected framework and building something with a suitable level of 9s where you can justify your decisions during a blameless postmortem (please stamp your buzzword bingo card for a prize.)
      • paradox460 1 hour ago
        We vibe code everything in flavor of the month node frameworks, tyvm, because elixir is too hard to hire for (or some equally inane excuse)
        • DANmode 1 hour ago
          I agree with your post conceptually.

          However: Don’t underestimate community support (in the areas you’re likely to want it) when comparing development stacks.

    • thejosh 1 hour ago
      Bandwidth cost is also another major reason.
  • nadis 1 hour ago
    Cackling while reading this visiting my family in Northern Virginia for the holidays. Despite it being a prominent place in the history of the web, it's still the least reliable AWS region (for now).
    • rayiner 29 minutes ago
      Its nice to know that where I grew up is Too Big to Fail lol.
  • noosphr 39 minutes ago
    At 34 hours of downtime that's two nines of uptime

    At this point my garage is tied for reliability with us-east-1 largely because it got flooded 8 month ago.

  • davidfstr 1 hour ago
    I intentionally avoid using us-east-1 for anything, since I’ve seen so many outages.
    • temp0826 1 hour ago
      us-east-1 is often a lynchpin for services worldwide. Something hinky happening to dns or dynamodb in us-east-1 will probably wreck your day regardless of where you set up shop.
  • the__alchemist 57 minutes ago
    I don't know if this is still true, or related, but that area used to be (Circa 10-30 years ago) very highly prone to power outages. The reason was lots of old trees near the lines that would inevitably fall; blackouts in local areas were common due to this.
  • emersonrsantos 31 minutes ago
    Glad to use us-west-2 for reasons.
  • arusahni 1 hour ago
    The sorting for the "Duration" column appears to be lexicographical, not numeric.
  • david_shaw 2 hours ago
    Yes, it's the least reliable. Thanks for summarizing the data here to illustrate the issue.

    It's often seen as the "standard" or "default" region to use when spinning up new US-based AWS services, is the oldest AWS center, has the most interconnected systems, and likely has the highest average load.

    It makes sense that us-east-1 has reliability problems, but I wish Amazon was a little more upfront about some of the risks when choosing that zone.

    • Forgeties79 46 minutes ago
      Nobody ever got fired for connecting to us-east-1
  • secondcoming 1 hour ago
    We get constant resource issues in GCP’s us-east4 region
  • theturtle 1 hour ago
    I searched for it, and did not find, the word "backhoe."

    Big fail.

    I have said for years, never ascribe to terrorism what can be attributed to some backhoe operator in Ashburn, Virginia.

    We got a lotta backhoes in northern Virginia.