Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

(babylonian-collection.yale.edu)

105 points | by yubblegum 3 days ago

14 comments

  • dvh 7 hours ago
    Apparently their beets looked the same as ours:

    > The kind of beets used in such an ancient recipe should not be different from the beets we use today, even in name. We read in Dictionary of Assyrian Botany (by Campbell Thompson, 1948) that in the ancient Mesopotamian region it was called ‘shumundar,’ it was as red as blood, and has a spinning-top shape (pp. 49, 51).

    • alephnerd 7 hours ago
      The recipe is also similar to Hamedh [0], a delicacy in Iraqi and Baghdadi Jewish households. The only major difference is the addition of tomatoes thanks to the Columbian Exchange, and rice - which would have not been cultivated or traded in West Asia yet.

      On that note, in Arabic, Farsi, and Hindustani the word for Tomato is essentially shared (tumatar/tamatimu) with the English word "tomato".

      But anyhow, a lot of home cooking and traditional meals actually have a pretty long history.

      [0] - https://www.splendidtable.org/story/2000/12/12/hamad-iraqi-b...

      • dotancohen 36 minutes ago

          > On that note, in Arabic, Farsi, and Hindustani the word for Tomato is essentially shared (tumatar/tamatimu) with the English word "tomato".
        
        In the Levant we use the word بندورا "bindora" in Arabic for tomato.
        • alephnerd 21 minutes ago
          Huh. Like Pomodoro. That makes sense.
      • amir_karbasi 4 hours ago
        Actually, in Persian, tomato is literally translated as “western plum”. This is common in our language as we usually say “western” or “foreign” as a prefix to many things that were introduced to Iran (strawberries, sit-style toilets, etc)
        • thrdbndndn 1 hour ago
          Chinese does the same thing, using prefixes like 西 (western), 番 (foreign), and 洋 (foreign) for introduced items.

          For tomatoes, interestingly, it has two common names that follow this pattern: 西紅柿, literally translated as "Western Red Persimmon", and 番茄, literally translated as "Foreign Eggplant".

          Other produce examples include 番薯 (Foreign Yam) for sweet potato, 西瓜 (Western Melon) for watermelon, 洋蔥 (Foreign Onion) for bulb onion etc.

          • dotancohen 33 minutes ago
            The recorded English-language etymology for "ketchup" suggests that the word comes from one of the Chinese dialect's word for tomato. Do you have any idea which Chinese word sounds like ketchup?
        • xattt 1 hour ago
          As an aside, tomatoes are golden apples (pomodoro), and oranges are Chinese apples (Apfelsin) in some languages.

          A lot of cultures appear to name botanicals using apples or, in GP’s context, stone fruit as “reference” points.

        • riffraff 3 hours ago
          Interesting, in various European languages those tend to be "Turkish": turkey hens (the bird called turkey now), Turkish corn (maize), Turkish beans (long beans).

          Again, trade routes.

          • idontwantthis 2 hours ago
            In Panama they say Chino for foreign versions and in Cambodia they say barang which literally means Frankish (via farang from Thailand).
          • oldandboring 3 hours ago
            > maize

            Which, in turn, originated in Mexico and didn't make its way to Europe until the 1500s.

        • alephnerd 3 hours ago
          Appreciate the clarification!
          • amir_karbasi 3 hours ago
            My pleasure! I also find languages very interesting and have had the opportunity to grow up in a bilingual home and learn French and German.

            One more fun fact is that potato is a direct translation of the French “Pomme de terre” (“sib zamani” or “ground apple”).

            Back to the actual topic, this is a recipe that’s definitely worth trying. Persian shallots are actually more garlicky than oniony. A great addition to lamb dishes and yogurt.

            • dotancohen 31 minutes ago
              Thank you! In Hebrew we literally call the potato תפוח אדמה which is "ground apple". Now I know where the idea comes from.
    • thaumasiotes 3 hours ago
      If it's any consolation, their lambs were nothing like ours.

      This period is early enough that sheep weren't yet sheared.

  • peri-cl 58 minutes ago
    The source texts are available here, if anyone wants to read the literal translations:

    https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/roundtable/ancient-mesopota...

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  • comrade1234 6 hours ago
    How's the presentation? Just imagining it, it would seem that the meet would have a weird color.
    • debo_ 6 hours ago
      It looks great. When I first saw it, I thought "this color can't be beet"
  • cantalopes 2 hours ago
    Gonna be quite challenging to get "1/2 cup of rendered sheep fat"
    • strken 2 hours ago
      In Australia where lamb is more common than in the US, it'd be pretty easy to keep the fat after roasting a lamb shoulder, or to freeze the fatty offcuts from forequarter chops and render them after I had enough.
    • jp0d 2 hours ago
      Lamb is quite popular down here in Australia. I usually keep some rendered fat from my roasts etc. Sometimes I cook other meats with it and it adds heaps of flavour. I do that with pork fat as well.
    • mermadicsolutio 1 hour ago
      I was able to get some tail fat from a halal butcher. But never seen lamb fat anywhere else
    • s0rce 2 hours ago
      if you have a good butcher they might be able to get you some that you can render, but its a hassle. I've done this for beef fat to make some british pie things.
    • dyauspitr 47 minutes ago
      Lamb is usually the red meat of choice, other than pork, almost everywhere besides the US.
  • eikenberry 6 hours ago
    Close to a recipe on Tasting History... https://www.tastinghistory.com/recipes/babylonianlambstew Our current favorite dinner watching along with Alton Brown.
  • yubblegum 5 hours ago
    I'm reading Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones' Babylon - The Biography of a Metropolis which just recently came out, and that's how I ended up hearing about Yale's culinary adventures.

    The book, btw, is kind of breezy in style and 'he of many LLs in his name' (Lālu-mullālu in Akkadian as suggested by my friendly AI) uses a lot of contemporary pop (nerdy) references to carry the narrative, yet very engaging and am learning a lot about this fabled city (and civilization).

    It sets certain records straight ...

  • PeterHolzwarth 2 hours ago
    What's enlightening is how astonishingly little salt is used, by our standards.
    • peri-cl 1 hour ago
      The ingredient ratios are the Yale researchers' interpretation—they're not from the source text,

      https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/roundtable/ancient-mesopota...

      > "Like most premodern cooking manuals, the Babylonian recipes rarely list the quantities of each ingredient, and so basic experimentation is needed to determine viable proportions for the assembly of a dough or the salting of a stew. The “experimental” approach likewise offers answers to questions that can only be addressed through trial and error. For example, many of the identifications of herbs proposed by modern scholars are based mainly on medical compendia, and some of the plants thus identified can produce an extremely bitter or perhaps pungent taste when used in food."

      Here's the recipes as literally translated (I used tesseract to OCR):

      > "Unwinding. Meat is not used. You prepare water. You add fat. (You add) kurrat, cilantro, salt as desired, leek, garlic. You pound up dried sourdough, you sift (it) and you scatter (it) over the pot before removing it."

      > "Stew of lamb. Meat is used. You prepare water. You add fat. You add fine-grained salt, dried barley cakes, onion, Persian shallot, and milk. [You crush] (and add) leek and garlic."

      > "Elamite broth. Meat is not used. You prepare water. You add fat. Dill, kurrat, cilantro, leek, and garlic bound with blood, a corresponding amount of sour milk, and (more) garlic. The (original) name (of this dish) is Zukanda."

      > "Tuh’u. Leg meat is used. You prepare water. You add fat. You sear. You fold in salt, beer, onion, arugula, cilantro, Persian shallot, cumin, and red’ beet, and [you crush] leek and garlic. You sprinkle coriander on top. [You add] kurrat and fresh cilantro."

  • bornfreddy 5 hours ago
    I think the taste of their beer would have been much different from what we drink today?
  • mermadicsolutio 1 hour ago
    Honestly the recipe sounds like adding beets to a regular lamb stew recipe. If I havent watch this video and saw the dish, I would think some fancy restaurant is trying to be "innovative"
  • lettergram 1 hour ago
    If you like this, you may like the "Tasting History" YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@TastingHistory

    He basically covers a different historic dish every week ranging from the oldest recorded dishes to cafeteria food from 1990; or what they served on the Titanic, etc.

    It's a great channel, and covers history well.

  • dyauspitr 46 minutes ago
    I mean, this had to be a dish for royalty or something right? How on earth that they have all of those fresh and dried ingredients on hand 4000 years ago.
  • analog8374 6 hours ago
    I dislike lamb but the rest sounds great. Maybe I could sub beef.
  • thataccount 3 days ago
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    • tom_ 7 hours ago
      Curious indeed that the Yale Babylonian Collection should, out of all the possible options, choose the cooking of Ancient Babylon. I wonder what we should read into this. I have some theories, but it might be dangerous for me even to mention that I have them.
    • yubblegum 3 days ago
      Cradle of civilization is not an odd culture. Babylon, meaning Gate of God, is one of the more profoundly influential urban civilizational clusters in human history.
      • thataccount 3 days ago
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        • ahazred8ta 3 days ago
          To an archeologist, 'civilization' refers to builders of walled cities inhabited by non-farmers with complex social sructure, division of labor, and usually some form of taxation. Highly moral hunter gatherers living in mud huts are not a 'civilization' in this context. Now you know.
        • BugsJustFindMe 7 hours ago
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