17 comments

  • throwaway219450 1 hour ago
    Astra writes well (which is why I often like to work with it over Claude), but it tends to produce code golf that's borderline unreadable, like completely omitting line breaks. I thought I had something funky with my config, but it seems to be a known issue.

    https://lucumr.pocoo.org/2026/9/7/astra-why/

    EDIT: You can search for "tenobrus astra" on X, but link removed.

    The generated code certainly does what's asked of it, but it's as sloppy as anything else I've seen. I don't think this benchmark can control for that. Maybe if it had a metric for minimum diff to satisfy the new requirement with the existing constraints on dead code etc?

    • CharlieDigital 38 minutes ago
      I use the frontier models only in plan mode; coding is held out to cheaper models.

      I run Paseo as an orchestrator with agent profiles. "Distinguished Member of Technical Staff" -> Fable, plan mode. "End-User Customer Advocate" -> Astra, plan mode. A few others. Basically, these agents (with profile prompts) can only be "consulted" for input on design elements; it's OK if they produce a bit of verbosity here. This has worked fantastically for me, really awesome to see a self-constructed team own the work end-to-end.

      A "Director of Engineering" (6.1 Sol or Opus 5.5) also in plan mode organizes the team for the task and then owns coordination and instruction. You can think of this in essence like a "model router".

      Coding is handled by Haiku 5.5/GPT 6 Luna/DeepSeek v4.1 Flash. One "Principal Engineer" Sonnet 5.5 or 6.1 Sol for some tasks.

    • eptcyka 1 hour ago
      Don’t apologize for x, just don’t post x links.
      • encypruon 43 minutes ago
        I think it's the best possible approach. It lets you refer to content that's unfortunately stuck on the site, while still signaling clearly that it's something to avoid if possible and to apologize for if not. Omitting the link just removes information without influencing consensus on whether to use X.

        edit: I wish it would let me view the darn screenshot tho :c

        • uoaei 38 minutes ago
          There are plenty of alternatives to link to X content without hitting X's servers.
      • throwaway219450 4 minutes ago
        I removed it, but it's frustrating when the options are someone's (reasonable) post on X, or slop-spam aggregators. I don't really want to drive visits to either, but at least the X poster can get the views.
    • ttul 45 minutes ago
      I've noticed the line breaks issue. It's easily fixed with a formatter like prettier and, frankly, that kind of quality-of-life thing is best handled deterministically anyway.
      • rsfern 17 minutes ago
        Doesn’t this mess up the context though? I use ruff and my agents get confused if I edit and run ruff out of band. How do people deal with that? I’m always having to remind agents to re-read files because they’ve changed
    • nozzlegear 45 minutes ago
  • theodorewiles 1 hour ago
    I have a simplify skill built from a rich hickey talk that basically solves the erosion and verbosity metrics SCB flagged (i.e. erosion and verbosity are way better and improve over time). However, after running the SCB benchmark I cannot find any evidence that it actually improves test pass rate trajectories. Food for thought on maintainability metrics.
  • hedgehog 2 hours ago
    Is there a reasonable way to run a representative subset myself?

    Edit:

    > For folks who want to try to repro these findings: I used the pinned v1.0 catalog, the stock just-solve prompt, seed 42, the any-case runner pass policy, and Docker with Python 3.12 and uv.

    And https://github.com/gabeorlanski/scb-problems/

  • furyofantares 2 hours ago
    For most things I find medium to be the highest quality output. However if I want it to do spatial reasoning or if I want it be funny / write something (not code) of almost-passable quality, then xhigh is where it's at.
  • giancarlostoro 49 minutes ago
    GPT 5.5 on Medium is all I use lately, I don't understand why anyone would pay drastically more for slightly more, when Opus has been good enough for a year now to do most things.
    • AnotherGoodName 9 minutes ago
      You unknowingly substituted the name of another model when you’re otherwise talking about the competitor fwiw. Some if those in the reply chain didn’t even seem to notice.

      That’s a little telling of the state of ai atm though isn’t it? It’s all pretty similar. The latest Opus/GPT/Gemini/Deepseek/Kimi on medium does indeed do the job

    • spijdar 46 minutes ago
      Why not GPT-{5.6, 6, 6.1} Sol? They're all cheaper than GPT 5.5, and as "smart", if not "smarter", at least to me.

      Though, it has been a while since I've used 5.5.

      • ttul 46 minutes ago
        Surely they mean Opus-5.5...
      • singingtoday 42 minutes ago
        I have no data to support this, but when working on SaaS systems I find anthropic models more effective.

        But for webdev, deep research, code review, and a few other tasks I find the current 6.1 sol better.

        But I use both. And I use codex more.

  • WASDx 2 hours ago
    Great benchmark!

    I believe effort can mean both "solve harder problems" and "produce more stuff". I mostly don't want more stuff than I asked for, so a capable model at lower effort can indeed be the wiser choice. Faster response too.

  • foota 56 minutes ago
    Wouldn't it be better to enforce pass via the harness and then measure cost/quality since that's more what people are likely to do?
  • mordae 1 hour ago
    This is interesting. Is nobody training LLMs to repeat resolving issues by patches from real projects where refactoring is required, judging the refactor similarity and not just tests passing?
  • meffmadd 1 hour ago
    Are the raw outputs published somewhere?

    I am currently investigating SCB results and a larger, more representative dataset to work on would be really helpful!

  • drivebyhooting 1 hour ago
    First of all, what happened to Max and Ultra?

    Secondly, I’m mostly using Astra Ultra or Sol 6.1 when tight on quota. I pay $200/month and rarely if ever run out. Am I doing something wrong? Or perhaps I’m not that productive as you guys?

    • steinvakt2 1 hour ago
      Same here. I’m feeling productive enough. If I was more “productive”, I wouldn’t be able to keep up with what I was producing. My attention and cognitive broadband is the bottleneck. I find it hard to believe that people are actually productive using 4 active chat windows simultaneously for 8+ hours a day.
  • dang 2 hours ago
    Related. Others?

    Benchmarking Opus 5 on SlopCodeBench - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49076391 - July 2026 (119 comments)

  • eivindmeyer 54 minutes ago
    why measure something you can just enforce with something like opcore which we have built? https://github.com/the-open-engine/opcore/
  • jdthedisciple 1 hour ago
    Finally a serious benchmark!
  • juleiie 37 minutes ago
    Opus did better on medium? Can anyone confirm this somehow? What’s the sweetspot in your opinion?
  • Onavo 2 hours ago
    I wish a company named human layer won't write their reports with so much Claudisms.
  • cute_boi 2 hours ago
    The irony is the article is very sloppy. Can we at least write it and review it properly..
    • antipaul 1 hour ago
      This is true. I was unfamiliar with this concept (I use codex/claude daily), and am trying to get to the "bottom line".

      Oh, it's there at bottom under "my takeaway". But I still didn't get it initially.

      Slop Code Bench? Need a Slop Writing Bench too

    • jampekka 2 hours ago
      What's wrong with it? Reads fine to me.
      • a3w 33 minutes ago
        There are 36 tests. You can pass 0 or 36 or any number inbetween. Lets give five significant digits of how accurate solving was.

        That is not how data physics work. It should not be how data science works.

  • sick_of_slop 2 hours ago
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